The Great Antidote – Season 2 Finale

The tables are turned for the Season 2 Finale of the Great antidote, and Juliette is the one being interviewed by her podcast producer Ian Nemelka. Thank you to everyone for listening. We will be back in 2022!

Episode Transcript

Juliette: Hi, welcome back. Today, we’re going to be having an interesting episode, rather short. And today, my producer, Ian Nemelka, at the Center for Growth and Opportunity, is going to be interviewing me. So Ian, first, welcome.

Ian Nemelka: Thank you.

Juliette: I just want to take it away. Go ahead.

Ian: Absolutely. Well, thank you very much, Juliette, and thank you to everyone who listens. I work behind the scenes for the most part, but I can tell you that I am as passionate about this, obviously, as the rest of you. And Juliette, I really appreciate you allowing me to help you out with this amazing podcast.

Juliette: Thank you for being here. It’s been the world of a difference, the amount of time I can spend preparing instead of doing the editing and the technical.

Ian: You are the brain. You are the voice. You need to be heard. Allow me to help your voice be heard. And with that, we’re going to turn the tables on Juliette this week, everyone, and ask her some of the questions that she asks her guests. So first and foremost, obviously, Juliette, you know the very first question.

Juliette: Oh, this is it.

Ian: What is the most important thing that people your age or in your generation should know that you don’t?

Juliette: This is a tough one. I don’t know how anybody can come up with an answer because honestly, I don’t know and that might be because I’m the same age as everyone that this question is meant for. I think that something that’s really important for people my age to know is that there’s always hope and that there’s not one path necessarily that especially, our generation has been proving that you don’t have to have one career.

You don’t have to be a doctor for your whole life or a scientist. You can have side jobs, side interests, and pursue other forms of jobs and interests and to not be afraid of that because I know for me, I’ve been trying to come up with one particular path, one strategy for the future and for a job or my college career path and everything. But that’s not really necessary and it’s not necessarily the best thing for me or for you or anyone.

Ian: Right. Fantastic. Well, it’s a very interesting time of your life. Right. I think a lot of people before you said it or at least the people that didn’t know you didn’t know that you were in high school. When you started, not only started this podcast but have been continuing with it and are just barely getting to your very first semester of college, which is, I would assume, a stressful time for you.

Juliette: Yeah. It’s been very stressful. I don’t quite know what to do with myself. I’m beginning to accept the fact that my preparedness is not possible and I just have to be prepared to be unprepared in any situation I step into, which is the most frightening thing I’ve almost ever experienced.

Ian: Totally. Right. Yeah, I think that was very insightful. I mean, if there’s one thing you can be, it’s being adaptive, right? Trying to adapt to the changing circumstances. And I, for one, looking on from the outside, think you do that very, very well. So let’s turn that question a little bit on its head with the most important thing that people in your age or your generation should know that you don’t. What is one thing you wish people knew about your generation or people your age?

Juliette: Our generation, yes, many of us have, not me actually, really, but many people in my generation spend hours and hours and hours on TikTok. All of us spend hours and hours on the internet in some form, whether that’s Instagram, Reddit, TikTok, whatever it is. And that is a weakness in some ways. It does produce some flaws, maybe some characteristics that are not so great, but it’s a hidden power, a hidden gift that we have, I think.

And this is what I’ve started to realize, is that our generation shares everything. And that can be really bad, yes, but also, all the little things that people used to keep to themselves or experiences that were big and you just don’t know how to deal with it, you start to realize you’re not so alone. And it just opens a channel of communication between all sorts of different people. And I think that’s really going to play to our advantage in the future. So watch out, we’re coming.

Ian: Absolutely. Very, very insightful. I think, for sure, I mean, even since me, and I’m not that much older than you or at least I wouldn’t think of myself as that much older than you. But even since then, just the sheer number of ways that we can go about communicating with one another is staggering. Whether it be, like you said, TikTok, Instagram, what have you, I think that opens up so many new channels.

And obviously, it’s easy to see the bad because when we do see something bad, typically, hopefully, it’s out of the ordinary and we focus on it we’re like, “Ugh, that is cringy,” or, “Ugh, that is annoying.” But I think you hit it on the head, is that there’s so much opportunity and your generation does have this gift where it’s almost a second instinct to be able to share and to utilize those communication platforms.

Juliette: It really is. Honestly, I don’t know what life was before it because for our generation that just has been life, our entire lives. And we’re going to be missing out on some experiences that older generations have had, sure, but we also have different perceptions from the get-go because we’ve never known anything else.

Ian: Right.

Juliette: And then if this is the starting block, if being super hyper-connected and communicating with various groups of people all over the world, if that is a given, then what comes next? I don’t even know what people are going to be coming up with, what innovations are going to occur. Did you hear that? My cat just like, fell.

Ian: One of the many benefits that I have, Juliette, is being able to hear all of that. And taking it out of the final podcast, maybe for the sake of this episode, specifically, maybe we’ll just leave that noise in there just to show people how much preparation goes into making sure that your podcast sounds great and how much preparation you go into. But speaking of communication platforms on this podcast, what has been your inspiration to keep doing this podcast or to keep doing things like this and talking to people about these things?

Juliette: I would be lying if I said that it wasn’t somewhat selfish. I really like learning about these things and I like talking about these things. And everything we talk about on this podcast is something that I’ve decided I want to look into it, it’s something that I want to talk about. And that extends past me but also to things that I think need to be talked about or aren’t as well understood as they could be, and it starts inside. What do I not understand? What do I want to learn?

Ian: Right, right.

Juliette: But usually, that sort of thing is shared with not only people my age but people of all ages, and I just want the information to be out there and for people to, I don’t know, hear it discussed and to be able to process it in their own way and come to their own conclusions.

Ian: Right. I think that’s such a cool way to look at it because a lot of people, and this goes for podcasts especially, a lot of people have podcasts specifically because, Juliette, that they are experts on something or they would like to think of themselves as experts on something. Whereas you come from the other way, which is, I mean, forgive my impudence here, but from almost a state of ignorance, and you’re saying, “This is what I don’t know. I would love to know more.” And I feel like that’s what makes this podcast so unique.

And what helps people connect with you so much is that, like you said, many people in your generation or not in your generation feel the same way about these topics but just don’t know enough and would like to know more but are either too afraid or too busy to ask. But in this platform, I think, and in this sort of way in this podcast, it just makes it so easy to access. And I can say for myself, especially, Juliette, I can tell you this, being able to listen, obviously, to every single episode but going through transcripts and everything like that, I have learned so, so, so much. And I can give you a personal testimony here for your podcast that it definitely has made an impact.

Juliette: That means so much. I’m very glad. And I have seen it in my own life. And you just mentioned it and a few people have mentioned it to me that it has changed the amount of conversations they’ve had and also their approach to conversations about these issues and about issues they don’t necessarily understand quite yet.

Ian: Absolutely.

Juliette: So it makes me happy.

Ian: That, and hey, if that isn’t enough inspiration to keep doing it, then what is, right?

Juliette: Yeah.

Ian: I know for me, again, personally, it’s just been so much fun, so much fun learning all this and getting to know you, getting to know your process and all the connections that you’re making. It’s just so, so cool. But with that, talking about the podcast, I’m sure some, especially your more engaged fans, have noticed, these last couple of weeks have gone without an episode.

Now, I know at first, we talked about potentially taking August off because everyone’s on vacation, everyone’s going to conferences, all that sort of thing. But I’m going to combine sort of these next few questions for you. And again, feel free to be as explicit or not as you’d like, but I think your fans would like to know what’s been going on in your life right now. And I mean, if this is the end of Season 2, is the show over? What’s going on in your life?

Juliette: The show is not over. I’m going to be pretty explicit, I guess. We initially came at August off with the idea that, oh, a lot of people are on vacation. In Europe, August is the month that you get off every year, you get an entire month off. Not very much like America. But even with that, Congress is out, usually, August. So it just made sense to not have it with August. Plus, I’m starting at the University of Virginia tomorrow.

Ian: Congratulations.

Juliette: Well, I mean, by the time this goes out, I will be there, which is I can’t believe I’m here now.

Ian: Yes.

Juliette: So then I was thinking about it and I realized that it would be difficult before getting there to know how the podcast would continue or what would be happening. And then, at the same time, while I was thinking about the future of the podcast, what it’s going to look like, the changes it will go through, just by my changing of locations, two of my grandmothers died, my two biological grandmothers.

Ian: Right.

Juliette: It was a hit.

Ian: Absolutely.

Juliette: And it sucks because we just had to go all over the place, had to go to funerals, all that stuff. My mom had to do so much paperwork. I can’t even imagine. And so that was rough.

Ian: Absolutely.

Juliette: And it still is rough. The family is kind of in shock still. It was our first summer being free from COVID and it was not necessarily the most liberated experience because we were tied down to all these super out of our control things.

Ian: Absolutely.

Juliette: So on top of thinking about the future of the podcast, this happened and so I had no time to plan out what the transition would be like, what time I needed off, what episodes were going to happen when, when I was going to record things. And so then I started thinking, well, what if I just take September off, the second month off?

And then I thought about it more and more and I have no idea how much time it’s going to take me to adjust to be able to then begin producing podcast episodes and content that is good, that is the same in terms of quality as the work that I’ve produced in the past. And I don’t want to go anywhere below that standard, especially for you, all my listeners. And for me, I don’t think I could do that. And work that is produced when I don’t have time, don’t know what I’m doing, and I’m full of all this uncertainty will not be great work. So we’re going to take a break.

This is the end of Season 2 until we begin Season 3 in 2022, and I’m so excited. I haven’t yet figured out exactly what changes will happen, but it won’t be exactly the same. It will have the same effort, the same inspiration, the same love for the podcast, the same general concepts, but the formatting might change a bit or something. We’re not sure yet, but it is all something that I look forward to working on when I have more time and can dedicate myself more to this podcast.

Ian: Well, I think I can speak for myself, Juliette, as well as a lot of your fans to where I think the quality of content, the quality of guests that you bring on your show is very much appreciated. And so I think we can all appreciate the fact that you want to maintain that part of content. And I don’t think anyone can blame you for what’s happened to you and your family these last few weeks, these last few months, as well as everything else that’s been going on in your life, going to college, graduating from high school, starting several new jobs. I don’t think anyone would blame you for going ahead and taking this break and getting set up.

And I think it means a lot that you’re even willing to admit that because a lot of people might even stretch themselves too thin and produce, as you said, content and podcasts that aren’t necessarily as good even as previous episodes. So just so you know, I don’t think you should feel bad. I don’t think you should feel guilt. You’re doing awesome. We’ve all enjoyed and loved your podcast. And I think we’re all better for it. And I can speak for everyone saying, we look forward to Season 3.

Juliette: I look forward to Season 3 too. I don’t know. We’ll see what it looks like. But I’m excited for a time when I can come back and do this at my full potential.

Ian: Oh, one hundred percent, absolutely. So unless you have anything else, Juliette, let’s end off the same way that you end most of your episodes, which is with your last question, and I’m going to change this up a little bit. What is one thing that you believed in at one time before your podcast that you later changed your position on after your podcast and why?

Juliette: There is no one right answer ever. And I’m sure people have said this before on the podcast as an answer to this question, but there really is no one right answer. And that, to me, is a good thing because, first, that means that no one is ever entirely wrong. It also means that there’s more exploring to do. We can find a compromise. We don’t have to yell at each other because there is a solution. There is a compromise that can be found.

And sure, something might be more efficient, something might be more generous. Say, who knows what you want to call it, what you want, what your values are, but you can never really be certain that you’re a hundred percent right. So you can always look back into yourself, at your past self, which I can do with this podcast, which is kind of nice. I can just relisten to old episodes, say, “Wow. I’ve changed.”

Ian: You’re right.

Juliette: But yeah, I see it as a hopeful thing but also kind of scary. But the idea of being either completely right or completely wrong is also kind of terrifying, so you know.

Ian: Yes. Well, no. I don’t know, right? I can never know. I mean, that’s really encouraging. I think for the majority of your episodes, they end off, I mean, with shadows looming but with a glimmer of hope. And I think you, in part, with your background and how you frame your questions in your episodes, Juliette, I think you help bring that glimmer of hope regardless as to what the issue is. You’re very much not a destinationalist. Meaning, everything needs to be right right now. You’re very much more of an incrementalist. Like, the better we can get tomorrow, the better things will be the next day.

Juliette: Which is true. I mean, that’s what I think so.

Ian: Yeah, absolutely.

Juliette: Of course, I think it’s true.

Ian: Well, and it’s your podcast so what you think is the most important.

Juliette: Very, very true. I mean, it’s your choice to listen to it.

Ian: That’s right. Exactly right, exactly right. Well, Juliette, it has been a privilege and an honor interviewing you today, as well as being your producer on the podcast. Obviously, you and I will stay in touch, but I’m sure your fans would be more than happy to hear some last words of wisdom or some last words of inspiration from you.

Juliette: Ah, words of inspiration. You can do this. Even if you feel like you can’t do it, you can and you will. And if you can’t, take a break, it’s okay because I’m taking a break and it’ll be fine. If you know you can do it, anything is possible. I sound like, what is that children’s book with the blue train that was like, I can do it?

Ian: The Little Engine That Could.

Juliette: Yes, that one.

Ian: I think I can. I think I can. I think I can.

Juliette: Yeah. If you think you can, you can and you will. Thank you so much, Ian, for interviewing me and for being a part of this. And also, shout out to Ian. He has started to create a show called The Elders Show. And I think it is great. I think it’s so funny. And also, it gives an insight into Mormons and missionaries that most people don’t see in their everyday lives, especially on the East Coast or especially outside of Utah. So go check that out because I think it’s great. There’s a kickstarter. You can watch the trailer. It’s hilarious. Thank you, Ian.

Ian: I promise. I promise, everyone, I did not ask her to do that. Juliette, you continue to be extremely generous, extremely kind. And I am so excited for Season 3. Juliette, thank you. Everyone, thank you. And we will see you very soon.

Juliette: Well, that’s all we have time for today. I’d like to thank my guests once again for their time and insight. I would also like to thank everyone who listens, subscribes, and shares The Great Antidote podcast. If you would like to be on the podcast or if you have a guest in mind, please feel free to reach out to me at The Great Antidote at Bye.


CGO scholars and fellows frequently comment on a variety of topics for the popular press. The views expressed therein are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Center for Growth and Opportunity or the views of Utah State University.

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